# 20484 of 31502 Source id # is: 14277 Path followed: ET BBS!..!Greenspace!Outer Limits!PhotoSynthesis!Milliways!So I'm Lazy 92Dec16 10:57:31 PST From ET @ ET BBS, (206) 789-2658 Being able to do a (R)everse WHILE reading messages is a "superior" feature and has been in CHATeau four years. It is in my Citadel now. Is it in yours too? What about the (O)ver-again command being available while reading which allows a user to buffer a select message from the top on the spot...or at least lets you see the header to see who it was that wrote the message you are reading. Being able to see the userlog and see who has been on since one last was is a superior feature on any BBS. It is just something that is needed and why the original Citadel programer chose to upgrade the file at logon I simply cannot fathom. In a word, it was stupid. Just a stupid thing to do. Simple as that. Being able to take a call while the sysop is logged on is a greatly superior way to do business than the way Citadel currently handles it. More...When you logoff a Citadel and it asks you if you are sure, what happens to the "t" command? Why can't you just hit that "t" key and get off? Why have the meanings of commands switch around? That is not a good user interface. The CHATeau is superior here too...as the "t" command remains active. Just as it LOGICALLY should. The screen strobing during chat request is a SUPERIOR feature that has been in my software five years. It is on one version of Citadel. TurboCit. Is it in yours? More...when chat request fails the user is asked if he or she would like to leave a message to the sysop on the spot. Five years. That's how long that has been proven to be of worth at my end. My current Cit provides that query at least at log off. NOT having to go into DOS and having a complete service utility available at a hot key press is vastly superior. Think about it. More....at the WAITING FOR A CALL screen having the name and the time of the last caller showing (besides the current time) is a nice feature to have. This has been in the CHATeau years. My Cit at least shows the time. More.....on the CHATeau after a textfile upload you can edit the thing. Not being able to is inferior. Vastly. Now the reason I am tossing these things out is not to support a "BBS isetter than yours" syndrome. CHATeau is dead...it is going no where. It is obsolete. It is a waste of developmental energy for me to put any further effort into it. However, I would simply LOVE to see Citadel upgraded to include all the above functions. Wouldn't you like to be able to check the userlog to see if a certain person has called since you were last on? Wouldn't you like to be able to edit uploaded textfiles? What about the ability to send select messages to the printer...or the whole room? CHATeau has long been able to do that. I suffer with my Cit because it can't....so far as I know. With regard the above features named, face it, Citadel is completely inferior....but it doesn't have to be. When sysops realize that these functions are possible to have and that they are needed then programers just might stick them in. Maybe. The (R)everse while viewing command was in CHATeau years ago...and like it the other described features can be too. Then Citadel wouldn't be so inferior. As for the BBS Development room, I am aware of it and used to host it. But when Mayday 1 dropped it ET BBS no longer received it. Simple. I sincerely hope Citadel can be upgraded to providing ALL the above functions. THEY ARE BADLY NEEDED. Everyone. Oh, the name of the "Last Caller" at the "WAITING" screen isn't actually needed, but is nice to have. So are a number of other items I haven't gotten around to listing yet. Oh, wait, let me include one more....The CHATeau provides a "footer" for each message showing who wrote the message which is visible only at the console (or to remote hall Managers when messages are in the Management room). It is nice to not have to continually wonder who the hell it was whote the message you (as the syso) just read without having to do it again...constantly. More the feature allows users to edit their name on the message header. This is great for roll playing games. Fun! You can enter a message as your character. Speaking of roll playing games (which seem to be popular on Citadels) the CHATeau can be easily set to roll the dice and insert the result at the end of the message. The number thrown is: --==*> 7 <*==-- # 20485 of 31502 Source id # is: 14334 Path followed: ET BBS!..!Greenspace!Outer Limits!PhotoSynthesis!Milliways!So I'm Lazy 92Dec16 18:29:13 PST From ET @ ET BBS, (206) 789-2658 Arthur Morgan, will you please explain why you "will have to cut [my] system out of [your] mail paths now, since TurboCit strips paths out of messages, thus making ,essies coming through TurboCits useless for the other router programs out there." I don't follow your point. Haven't you been running an autorouter all along, and aren't you still? And isn't your mail coming through TurboCits. Greenspace is a TurboCit and is one of the key links to back east. Can you explain in more detail just what your threat to cut me (and other TurboCits) out of the net is based upon? # 20486 of 31502 Source id # is: 10345 Path followed: Milliways!So I'm Lazy Source software: Gremlin's Citadel /062.1á 92Dec17 07:59:50 PST From Twoflower {Gank-Boy} {am i anal or am i not?} @ Milliways, U.S.A. {U.S.A.}, (206)286-0658 et; you can easily figure out who has called since your last call. hit .rvu (read verbose userlog) read the call number in front of your account (it will be first, but not yet updated.) let the userlog scroll until the call numbers are less than yours. you've just seen every user who has called since you were last on. not quite as idiot proof as having it all spelled out for you when you log on (you actually have to do a touch of thinking!) but, seeing as how some of Source id # is: 14544 Path followed: ET BBS!..!Greenspace!Outer Limits!PhotoSynthesis!Milliways!the grand illusion!So I'm Lazy 92Dec20 03:27:27 PST From ET @ ET BBS Quite frankly, having to evauluate user numbers with the Verbose command to mentally calculate who all called since one last was on may be fun for a true hacker but is not for a regular user...is an entirely primative process, as is having to revert to DOS in place of utilities. Imagine having to do that with a word processor...or any other program, for that matter. Who could respect anything so primative? And that is exactly what the process iss...primitive. And as my programing to suit my purposes....I think that goes without saying....well of course! Sheesh...why else would I implement a given feature? As for utilizing the scrollback buffer in place of the (O)ver again command...sometimes one would like to be able to just save a clean file with just the select message...and not have to do buffer editing to cut it out. As for using screen print to send messages to the printer...nah! The CHATeau has that function too...and it ain't the same as being able to select a whole message intact and have it printed...or the whole room. I was not saying "my BBS is better than yours" I was saying that Citadel is deficient without certain features I have known and loved for years. That's it. The key word is "features." And as far as the name change on the header is concerned...I have NEVER had a problem with that....because....every message has the writer's name at the footer which is visible to the sysop...so forgeries are impossible to be gotten away with. And if someone ever tried it...I'd slap the twit-bit on 'em fast. The mail works differemt...has a different header structure...can't be edited. And as for the "t" command....when the prompt asks me if I am sure I want to Terminate....The "t" key should answer the question...instead of becoming unavailable for use. A command set should be more reliable. The things I said still go.