/************************************************************************/ /* */ /* */ /* @@@@@@ @ @ @@ @@ */ /* @ @ @ @ @@@@ @ @ @@@@@ @ @ */ /* @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ */ /* @ @@ @@@@@ @@@@@ @@@@@@ @@@@@@@ @ @ */ /* @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ */ /* @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ */ /* @@@@@@ @@@ @@@ @@@@ @ @ @ @@@@@ @@@ @@@ */ /* */ /* Issue Number One - November 12, 1991 */ /* */ /************************************************************************/ /* The Underground News Source for Citadel and its variants! */ /* */ /* Edited by Piouhgd @ Reality Cheque [WNC] */ /* Machine @ Mach's Mach [MtNC] */ /* An official Cheese Olfactory Workshop production. */ /* Send us lots of cash - small unmarked bills prefferred */ /************************************************************************/ /************************************************************************/ /* Table of Contents */ /************************************************************************/ ./* */ /* Departments: Letter From The Editor */ /* */ /* Features: PCPDIAL - The program we have all been waiting for! */ /* QUIP03A - A major help for Citadel-86/68k sysops! */ /* Monty Python - My favourite room! */ /* Featured System - Reality Cheque */ /* */ /* Lists: PC Pursuitable Nodes based on the RSYS list by bill.K */ /* Roombased software (blatently stolen from bill.k) */ /* Home Systems of Citadel Varients */ /* */ /************************************************************************/ ======================= Letter From The Editor! ======================= Well, this is it. And no, it isn't a joke. This is real. I think I should start with the answer to the question you are probably asking. Why, you ask? Well, why not? The thirst for Citadel news is so great that it is non-exhaustive. Two newsletters for Citadel (in my opinion) would barely even graze the history that so many have forged, or report the change that is so common in Citadel. So, I decided to make an *alternative* to CitaNews. I am not attempting to compete with or "mooch in" on CitaNews territory! I simply wanted to provide a news source. I have my own reasons, too. I want to learn more about Citadel itself. Where it came from. Who this mystical "CrT" is. :) What better way to learn more than to have a "deadline" to seek information? Plus, it provides a forum for us to share our ideas, opinions, experiences, and maybe we can all* learn something. Plus it gives me ample excuse to ask annoying questions! Another one of my mad reasons is that I want to get more involved in Citadel, and this is one way of going about it. I feel a need to "do my part" for the CitScene. I would like to see CitaHell evolve into a monthly publication, with information on Citadels from every viewpoint. I would like to "interview" certain folk who have had a tremendous impact on Citadel and it's sysops. I would like to feature new products for Citadel, new Citadels, old Citadels, and the like. This month we will be delving into the innocuous depths of "PC Pursuit" and what it can do for a Citadel sysop. I would like to dedicate this document to my co-editor and best-friend Machine. Without him, I would have never discovered Citadel. I would still be a WWIViot, flailing madly in the annals of color and geek-fests. Thank you for rescuing me, Machine. I would also like to thank those who held my hand during those first weeks; Hue, Jr. and cmc. And special thanks to DarkStar, my sysop-in-arms. We especially showed THEM, eh? Well, I hope you enjoy the first installation of CitaHell. Hopefully you will see more of us. And remember, we are always open to submissions, letters, questions (we will answer or do our damnedest to find someone who can), comments, criticisms, articles, interviews, ascii pics, etc etc. There is no real deadline, but if you want something in the NEXT one, get it in quick. Later, Piouhgd. Oh, if you are curious. Piouhgd is pronouced "P.O.ed". Right, pissed off. ========================================== PC Pursuit plays major role in networking! ========================================== Piouhgd @ Reality Cheque When we first created our local network here in WNC, we had decided as a group that PC Pursuit would suit our needs the best. Unfortunately, Zero Hour fell upon us quickly, and we had no external dialer. With me knowing not more than a smidge of C, and everyone else not knowing how PC Pursuit worked, I panicked. I scrambled around Citadels across the country for a week looking for a dialer for PCP. Nobody had one. PC Pursuit now plays a major role in how WNC networks thanks to the generosity of cmc @ overmind (and undermind, for that matter). I talked to Christopher for no more than 10 minutes, and he said "Sure, I'll write one." But in the lands of reality, most electronic promises are broken, so I did not get my hopes up. I sought out to try to write one. Two days later I get a call on my BBS from cmc, and he uploaded the program PCPDIAL. I was literally stunned, and exceptionally satisfied with the results that came from cmc's efforts. I am still in his gratitude. PCPDIAL is a most excellent program. It allows you to use PC Pursuit for networking purposes, and does so extraordinarily well. It can redial the dialup number (if busy) however many times you wish. It can redial the system number however many times you wish. It even has a built in safety feature that won't allow a dialout until 10:00 pm - unless you use a "-f" command that forces it anyway. The stabilization rate has been the only drawback, and cmc said he was working on a modification to allow the dialer to stabilize the call. I have encountered a 90% success rate, though. It has the most trouble (from what I have seen) with the cmc's own BBS, Fortress and Fortress-PC. This has prompted me to ask for a different "stabilization" code - to insure stabilization through packet networks. Allow me to explain a little about PC Pursuit, if you do not know. When you call a PCP dialup number, you connect to a local number. Then, using your password and account number, the Telenet dialup you called connects to a "dialout" in another city. When you finally have a connection from that dialout, you have four computers hooked together - you, the final destination computer system, and two "filters"! That causes a 15% delay. Not much, but volume counts! I have asked Hue, Jr. for a "Stabilization" string as an addition. The system would act as normally - sending the three character code to initiate a network session. If none was found, it would move to the Login prompt. If the calling computer saw that there was a login prompt - it would send a string of characters such as "-@-#-NETWORK-#-@-", and the answering computer would attempt the three character string again. Upon three unsuccessful tries, it would give up. That would prevent lost PCP time - and greatly insure better stabilization rates. I had one response from Hue, Jr. on the matter, but since haven't spoken with him about it. Maybe, but who knows? I think it would be an excellent addition, since it is time for Citadel to move into the PC Pursuit era! PC Pursuit currently costs $50 a month for 60 free hours of long distance. This is not bad! The disadvantage is that PC Pursuit can't connect to every city in the country, only certain ones. But there are a lot of Citadels that you can* network with - enough in two or three cities to fill up 4 or 5 megs worth of a message space quickly! At the end of CitaHell, I will list all of the PC Pursuitable Citadel systems based on bill.k's RSYS listing. I am not sure of "Who To Call" to to become a subscriber. Try a local Sprint office, or their 1-800 number. By the time of publication, PCPDIAL should be available at Test System, and here at Cheque. ============================ QUIP03 HELPS CITADEL SYSOPS! ============================ Ok, so maybe this is almost like an advertisement. Maybe not. But, I have found Quip to be an awesome utility for Citadel-86 and Citadel-68k. If you pick this program up, I think you will agree. What exactly is Quip? Quip is a program that can create the optional BANNER, LONOTICE, NOTICE, and CHAT files. You know, the sixty files of each filename that act as "random" messages to users (BANNER.0 to BANNER.59, etc). In my Citadel travels, I have yet to see a BBS that takes advantage of the function except Test System. And it must be a pain to type them in, or else more sysops would be using it! Quip solves that problem by reading a file sequentially (the one that comes with Quip has over 2000 little sayings) and putting the quotes into the appropriate file(s). Reality Cheque currently has it's NOTICE files "randomized" with the famous ascii cows (a different one in each file), it's LONOTICE files with annoying sayings and it's CHAT files filled with different "I'm not here" sayings. One of the nicest things about Quip is that the data files are EASY to build. All one needs is a good text editor and a little patience. The only disadvantage to it is that it can only accept 1k of a quip, but that pales to the fact that quip is easy to use, and save a helluva lot of time! Quip is the product of Machine's (@ Mach's Mach) genius and long tedious hours of C programming. I helped in a very minor way with the documentation and the MS-DOS compilation of the program. There are a few other data files floating around. Quip is available for the Amiga and the MS-DOS machines at Test System. Since I wrote this, I found out some new information. Quip04 will be released soon, pending the fixing of some bugs. It speeds up processing of lengthy .DAT files by about 500% - damn good! Quip04 will be using hash tables to increase effeciency, plus some extras. It will be released with a few extra .DAT files, too. ============================ Hue, Jr. Abducted by Aliens! ============================ Just kidding. He's back now. ====================== The Monty Python Room! ====================== I don't know where it has been, and don't know where it's going to. It's the MONTY PYTHON room! I first picked up the room from Overmind, and am now passing it along to Nowhere. Any Python fan would just love the discussions. Well, ok. They are not really discussions, they are banter with mostly quotes of Python. But what could be more bleeding *FUN*???? A few weeks ago I stumbled into the Totally Missing Persons League (you know, of Zakureth@League fame) and ran across a Britcoms room. It was an aberrant little directory room filled with 200k worth of files. Lo and *behold* my good brothers, these were not mere ordinary files, these were PYTHON SCRIPTS! Needless to say, I downloaded them all, and am now happily engaging in the activity of putting The Holy Grail into the Monty Python room. And there was much rejoicing. I now have a lot of stuff the quench the ever thirsty Python fan. And several people have begun to start posting more Python scripts. The Python room is a virtual plethora of Python information and worthless drivil! And it has more cheese than anyone would ever want. NI! ================================ Reality Cheque - Featured System ================================ Today's Featured System is Reality Cheque. Why? Because I want to push this CitaHell issue out the door and it is the system I know most about. System Name: Reality Cheque Domain: WNC (Western North Carolina) Sysop: Piouhgd Node ID: US (704) 523-2063 Hours of Op: 24 - Sporadic downtimes for writing. Max Baud: 2400 BPS Software: Citadel-86 3.40 Sharing Rooms: Rocky Horror> Whonet> Author's Alcove> Role Playing Games> Charlotte Traffic> PartyNet Sysops> CitaNews> ANIME/Comics> AD&D> traveller> Spinward Marches> The Dork Squad> Abortion> Monty Python> Psychology> C++> CyberPunks> Gateway> Politica> Strange Theories> Blurred Reality> The Occult Scene> Of The Weird> SCA> net.music> rec.humor.funny> TrekNet> Sysop Stuff> Skepticism> Shadowrun> GURPS> Wargames> RPG Idea Central> Esoterica> PaganNet> Horror> Ecology (Virtual) Health (Virtual) Computer Crime (Virtual) Drug Discussion (Virtual) Adult Discussion (Virtual) Points to Ponder (Virtual) PeaceNet (Virtual) There are a few local only rooms, Charlotte Traffic and PartyNet Sysops. Rocky Horror is one of the latest additions to C-86 Net. It is a discussion on the Rocky Horror Picture Show. ==================== Upcoming Next Month: ==================== A meeting of the minds for the NC Domians Sysops! December 7th, the NC sysops will be gathering in Greensboro, NC to discuss Citadel! In attendence will be Piouhgd@Reality Cheque_WNC, DarkStar@Schizo_WNC, Coppertop@Lunatic Fringe_NC, and Machine@Mach's Mach_MtNC (Well, ok, he will be there in spirit; we will most likely call him). This is the first NC Citadel Meeting Of The Minds. Next issue you will find out "Why in the hell are there three domains in NORTH CAROLINA". We will tell you all the events of the day, some might be embarrassing. Or not. We will feature Lunatic Fringe next month, if I can get Coppertop to talk about his system, and his plans for the Fringe. A rumor has been circulating that he might be changing to K2NE from Asgard. We will have more inane articles. Some might actually be interesting, so check it out. I know this one is a tad bit short, but please bear with us. This is our first production of it, and we are hurrying to get it out and get started on December's Issue which promises to be absolutely wonderful. Like we have nothing better to do with our time. PCP Networkable Nodes List: Special thanks to Bill.K! The Room Oreiented BBS List November 1991 Node Name Phone Num. S Ba PCP Code Sysop Last ---------- ----------- - -- -------- ----------------- ---- 3cpu 503-246-9712 o ?? ORPOR ?????????????????? 91Oct 5150 Citadel 414-353-5062 o 12 WIMIL 8th Demension 206-488-1290 c 12 WASEA ??????? 89May 9 Hells 801-485-4355 o 96 UTSLC Synical Sorcerer 91Jan Acropolis 916-967-5817 o 24 CASAC Robert Bequette 89Nov AIE 713-444-6972 o 24 TXHOU Scott 90Sep Amiga Archives, The 916-444-9982 o 24 CASAC Donovan Colbert 90Aug Amiga Link - line 1 916-682-8872 o 24 CASAC Lindsey Fong 89Nov Amiga Link - Line 1 916-447-3842 o 24 CASAC Lindsey Fong 89Nov Amiga Link - Line 2 916-682-8874 o 24 CASAC Lindsey Fong 89Nov Amiga Link - Line 2 916-991-8553 o 24 CASAC Lindsey Fong 89Nov Amiga Link - Line 2 916-447-3843 o 24 CASAC Lindsey Fong 89Nov Artificial Reality 612-774-3354 o ?? MNMIN Thomas Katt 89Oct Asylum II,The 916-363-3447 o 12 CASAC ?????????? 89Aug Asylum Systems, Inc 801-943-2351 o 24 UTSLC doc mike 90May Asylum, The 206-439-7890 o 12 WASEA ??????????? 91Jun atarwinII 503-288-8506 o ?? ORPOR ?????????????????? 91Oct Babel 206-363-8969 o 24 WASEA Bob Perigo 88Mar BackFence 612-429-5001 p 24 MNMIN Jimbo 91Oct Bad Sector 612-377-6881 o 96 MNMIN Biko Mack 91Aug Badinage Mansion 317-576-0896 o ?? ININD Jason Massey 91Aug Bauhaus BBS 206-672-0956 o 24 WASEA Devin Cook 89Dec Bitsko's Bar & Gril 801-269-0670 o 19 UTSLC Ken MacLeod 89Nov Blade 617-891-7338 o 12 MABOS Laird Popkin 91May Byteways 516-433-3309 o 24 NYHEM Cyborg 91Aug Cafe Dionysus & Co. 206-523-8874 o 30 WASEA Callahan's 612-644-2551 o 24 MNMIN Chilly Willy 91Aug Caves of Chaos 206-641-0647 o 24 WASEA Major Chaos 88Jan Cheryl's Velvet Tou 206-937-2957 o 12 WASEA Chez' Spaz 612-895-8035 o 24 MNMIN your Father 91Aug Church 612-778-0343 o 24 MNMIN Jammer 4 91Aug Citadel-86 Test Sys 612-470-9635 o 96 MNMIN Hue, Jr. 91Oct City of Lankhmar 206-885-5266 o 12 WASEA Grey Mouser Class68 612-932-0743 o 24 MNMIN Greg Forseth 91Jan Cold Winter's Knigh 916-487-2819 o 24 CASAC Yellow Dragon 89Nov Cryptic Slaughter 206-432-6904 o 12 WASEA Cryptic Slaughter 88Feb Cuckoo's Nest, The 317-547-8868 c 24 ININD Prince Artagel 90May CyWorld 916-966-2704 c 24 CASAC Cy 90Jan Dark Tower 206-244-1766 o 12 WASEA DogLink 612-460-6056 c 24 MNMIN K-9 91Oct drac 503-239-8918 o 24 ORPOR Robin Hood 91Oct Dragons Den II 916-635-1798 o 12 CASAC Vince Seifert 89Aug Dream Park 415-945-7799 o 24 CAOAK Number Six 89Nov DREAM WORLD 718-849-3232 o 24 NYNYO Bill 91Jun Earl's Castle 916-381-4127 o 12 CASAC Jim Earl 89Aug Earl's Castle (Alt) 916-967-1643 o 12 CASAC Jim Earl 89Aug Eclipse 916-725-0674 o ?? CASAC Pinkerton Floyd 90Feb Egads 612-753-1622 o 30 MNMIN Helper 87Jul Electric Monk, The 415-967-6067 o 12 CAPAL Droud 90Feb ElfQuest 916-332-7945 o 24 CASAC Elf 91Oct Endless Power 317-575-9435 o ?? ININD Jeff Neese 88Oct Enterprise 718-646-4218 o 24 NYNYO ?????????? 91Mar Exotic 206-367-8242 c 12 WASEA The Ninja 87Jun Expressway BBS 516-753-0392 o 96 NYHEM Stan Schwartz 91Oct Eye of the Storm 612-928-9726 o 24 MNMIN Stormwolf 91Aug Fifth Dimension,The 214-416-6833 o 24 TXDAL Maher Maso 87Jun Floydian Slip,The 602-246-8745 o 12 AZPHO Bert 88Oct Forge, The 206-827-1817 o 12 WASEA Foundation's Edge 916-454-5983 o 12 CASAC Qwerty & Sonja 89Aug Free Lunch 612-431-1107 o 24 MNMIN Hue 91Oct FWBBS 303-469-4954 o 24 CODEN Jeepster 91Sep Greenlake Connectio 206-782-6669 o 12 WASEA Greylien 612-753-6002 o 24 MNMIN Greyman 91Aug H-I-T-E-C 206-285-3382 o 12 WASEA Hatzlacha 213-466-3861 o 12 CALAN Roger Tuttle 87Jun Health On Line 206-367-8726 o 12 WASEA Rob C. 87Jun HHQ 713-376-6670 o 24 TXHOU C.J. Mercer 90Sep Hotel 86 916-927-7680 o 24 CASAC Gary S. Meadows 90Feb Hypercube 317-773-7757 o 24 ININD Death by Torture 88Apr Illusions 612-470-1882 o 24 MNMIN mary mary 91Oct Images 612-884-7951 o 24 MNMIN Sy Borg 91Sep Invisible Seattle 206-784-7685 o 12 WASEA Mehitabel Ivory Tower 612-425-0554 o 24 MNMIN Topper 91Oct Last Call, Jr. 612-546-4182 o 96 MNMIN moi 91Oct League 503-254-1754 o 24 ORPOR Zakureth 91Oct Library II 206-643-9965 o 24 WASEA Lost Island Desktop 214-276-7499 o 24 TXDAL Dennis Recla 88Dec Luna Free State 317-298-8490 o 12 ININD Mycroft Holmes 88Mar MacCitadel Test Sys 213-820-4320 o 96 CALAN Glen Heinz 90Jan Mainframe 206-362-8158 o 12 WASEA Manila-Center 206-364-2529 o 12 WASEA SpareCat 91Jun Mars Hotel, The 612-332-5156 o 24 MIMIN Daniel 91Aug MAST 612-472-6582 o 19 MNMIN tacook 91Aug Mayday I 206-523-0462 o 12 WASEA Mensa On-Line 612-780-2518 o 24 MNMIN Star Child 90Dec Metal CA 415-820-2177 o 24 CAOAK Tormentor 89Nov MIDI 612-825-4296 o 24 MNMIN Lydian Kev 90Feb Milatari 414-476-9119 c 24 WIMIL ??????????? 90Aug Mountain Man 303-797-6783 o 96 CODEN Roy Bartee 91Apr Muse 916-923-1530 o 24 CASAC Bob Carlstroem 89Aug MythAdv 503-246-4048 o ?? ORPOR ?????????????????? 91Oct NDP 415-276-3677 o 96 CAOAK Portmaster 91May Nightwing's Realm 206-784-5913 o 24 WASEA Shade Nightwing 89Mar NSCC Swamplands 206-527-3650 o 24 WASEA ??????? 89May Nybble 916-487-2604 o 24 CASAC Happy Hacker 89Aug Omni 916-386-2521 o 24 CASAC Charles Meadows Jr 89Aug Outer Limits 206-285-3210 o 30 WASEA The Great Zod 87Jun Overlord's Party 301-725-6920 o 24 DCWAS Jeff Waltzer 91Jan overmind 404-659-5720 o 19 GAATL cmc 91May Phantasie Land 206-874-2545 o 12 WASEA Players 503-624-7303 o ?? ORPOR ?????????????????? 91Oct Polaris 214-750-6374 c 12 TXDAL Clint Wheelock 87Jun PolarServ 206-782-5022 o 30 WASEA T'an T'u 87Apr Post Office, The 206-546-9158 o 12 WASEA 88Jan Pot Of Gold, The 303-761-4039 o 12 CODEN Leprechaun Lord 87Dec ProtoSoft 206-932-7125 o 12 WASEA PyroDyme 916-989-5136 o 24 CASAC General Instrument 89Aug robocity 503-255-1446 o ?? ORPOR ?????????????????? 91Oct SabreLine 612-896-2706 o ?? MNMIN Sabre 91Jan Sanctuary 206-747-6839 o 12 WASEA Tempus 87Jun santiago 503-282-3386 o ?? ORPOR The Master of Time 91Oct Satellite System 206-762-5141 o 12 WASEA Jimbo Ryan 89Jan Signals 206-545-4343 o 12 WASEA John Shannon 89Mar Skyline 206-628-3811 o 12 WASEA Gremlin 88Jan SLUG'S Hard Rock Ca 503-645-4915 o 24 ORPOR SLUG! 91Oct Small Citadel 612-377-2470 o 12 MNMIN Shane Ziegler 89Aug Snickersnack 206-869-8697 o 24 WASEA Zair TL 91Aug Spectrum 206-355-4340 o 12 WASEA ST-Keep BBS 916-729-2968 o 24 CASAC Andrew Studer 90Aug Sudden Impact 206-361-1993 o 12 WASEA ???????? 88Jan Synch 612-929-3067 o 24 MNMIN Sting 91May Syntax Error 503-681-8232 o ?? ORPOR ?????????????????? 91Oct Sysop Central 916-363-1171 o 12 CASAC Larry Reznick 89Aug Tapestry 206-488-0115 o 12 WASEA ?????????? 89Jun Tapestry 206-784-9014 o 12 WASEA Inyanna 88Jan Time Warp BBS, The 206-565-4310 o 24 WASEA Riff Raff 91Feb Touch Me Two 206-938-8234 o 12 WASEA TPT4 408-255-6288 o 24 CASJO Mike Leeling 91May Tranquility Base 206-525-0497 o 30 WASEA TUG ECS 206-763-3116 o 12 WASEA TwitZone 503-681-8135 o 24 ORPOR Parker Lewis 91Oct Ultra-Net 612-536-8904 o 24 MNMIN Tom Kirkland 91Oct undermind 404-521-0445 o 96 GAATL cmc 91May Underworld 206-244-6252 o 24 WASEA Grim Reaper 87Jun V'ger 214-727-8056 o 12 TXDAL Malcolm Petcher 89Jun WebHunt 916-456-8641 o 24 CASAC Bill Belon 91Oct WESCAC 206-781-6961 o 12 WASEA Jack Fleming 89Jan Wolf's Den 612-469-3296 o 24 MNMIN Cryo Ruggie 91Sep XAKEPOBO MECTO 206-324-0830 c 12 WASEA M.Aichlmayr 89Feb Xanadu 206-762-8667 c 12 WASEA The Muse 87Jun YT&T (YOYODYNE) 916-369-6702 o 24 CASAC Pagan St. Flames 89Aug Zorba Connection BB 713-946-5467 o 24 TXHOU Phillip Keen 90Oct ^ ^ ^ | |_Baud | | 12=1200, 24=2400 | | 30=300, 96=9600 / | 19=19.2kb Date of | last contact System access c - controlled (Mail to Sysop) o - open p - private (nominations) * * * * * Disclamer: This list is provided for reference purposes only, and carries no guarantees, implied or otherwise, with regard to the accuracy of the the list. ===================== Room Based Software As compiled by bill.k ===================== Acropolis Turbo Pascal room system. AmiDel Citadel for the Amiga by Timelord & Cap'n Dave ATKeep Atari 800XL room system. Asgard-86 NEED ALL the information on this one...Please Babel runs under Unix on a Charles River Data Systems SuperBox V, by T'an T'u of Seattle, WA. (multi-user?) b0badel STadel-PC 3.2 deriviative by b0b. Runs on any MS-DOS machine with a FOSSIL driver. Source availiable at Interface. Cit the original CP/M version 2.1x written by Cynbe ru Taren, or some derivative there of. (catch-all category) C86e Citadel-86e for MS-DOS machines by Farokh Irani Cit64 Citadel on Commodore 64? Need more input on this one. Cit68k Citadel for the Amiga by Stallion. Cit86 Citadel-86 for MS-DOS systems, by Hue, Jr. of Minneapolis, MN (Zenith Z-100 and PC clones) v2.xx indicates network capable. CitGrem Citadel for MS-DOS by Gremlin. CitK2NE Citadel:K2NE for MS-DOS Machines by Alan Bowen, Vince Quaresima, and Brian Riley. Nets with Cit86, STadel and FIDOnet boards. Cit86TI3.38 Citadel for the TI PC. Hue, Jr.s' Citadel with drivers for the TI PC provided by Robert Nelson ? adel Citadel for the Atari ST by Elim & Mr. Neutron FUBARC Yet another variation.......... Henge StoneHenge for MS-DOS systems, by David Bonn of Seattle, WA IdeaTree for MS-DOS systems? by ProtoSoft, Inc. MiniBin room system (in BASIC?) by Glenn Gorman of Seattle, WA MacCitadel Citadel for the Apple Mac - by Glen Heinz Cit2.16s CP/M Citadel for the SONY neoCit neoCitadel, written in Turbo Pascal by Hue, Sr Novucivitas NEED ALL the information on this one too ... SAC CIT Another one that needs to be updated... STadel Citadel for the Atari ST by orc. STadel-PC Citadel for DOS systems by orc STadel-Ami Citadel for Amiga systems by Eric A. Griff ST-Keep Citadel for the Atari ST, by Andrew Studer Unidel UNIX/UseNet news reader, multiuser bbs, & UseNet Gateway pseudo Pseudodel for Apple ========================================== Headquarter Systems for Citadel Software ========================================== Software BBS Name Phone Number Baud -------------------------------------------------------- adel Secret Service,The 403-425-1779 2400 Citadel-68K Images at Twilight 612-884-7951 2400 Citadel-86 C-86 Test System 612-470-9635 9600 Citadel-86e ENY 914-735-9362 2400 Citadel-K2NE Jersey Devil, The 609-893-2152 2400 Fortress/PC undermind 404-521-0445 9600 IdeaTree ProtoSoft 206-932-7125 1200 Mac Citadel MacCitadel Test Sys 213-820-4320 9600 ST-Keep ST-Keep BBS 916-729-2968 2400 Unidel Bitsko's Bar & Gril 801-269-0670 19.2 (Primary Source: RSYS0691.LST) (CitaHell's Source: NEWS9108.TXT by Dominic Duvall) =============== Special Thanks! =============== I would like to thank the following for the use of documents, etc. bill.k for the use of the RSYS list to show PCP nodes. Thanks to Dominic Duvall for the list of "home systems". -EOF!-  to show PCP nodes. Thanks to Dominic Duvall for the list of "home systems".